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The Maurizio Gucci case is turning into
an Italian Eve Dallas story.
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A professional killer normally
takes care not to leave any witnesses.
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It seems more like a crime of passion.
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It seemed like a crime
that was destined to remained unsolved.
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The news was telling me
about Maurizio's death.
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I could no longer think.
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I had lost my husband,
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who was the person
I'd loved more than anyone else.
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The Gucci brand is one of the key players
in this idea of Made in Italy
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that's becoming
more and more important.
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I really lived an incredible life.
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It happened over night.
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He packed his weapons and bags
and he left.
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This desire to eliminate him came out.
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Maybe her narcissism had taken a hit.
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I went around asking, "Is anyone here
brave enough to kill my husband?"
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The investigations
just went round in circles.
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Who wanted Maurizio Gucci's death?
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I didn't think they'd catch me.
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LADY GUCCI
The Story Of Patrizia Reggiani
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MILAN
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Where shall we go?
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Shall we go to Monte Napoleone?
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This is...
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These are my favourite streets.
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Because every time I come here,
I discover something new.
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I grew up among beautiful things.
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This was my school.
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This is the church where I got married.
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Via dei Giardini.
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I lived here alone,
when I was single,
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with my parents, in number 3.
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Patrizia Reggiani was convicted
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of contracting the murder
of Maurizio Gucci
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and spent almost 20 years in prison,
two decades.
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Guilty or innocent,
she served her sentence.
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She found herself thrown into a new life.
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Patrizia was born in 1948 and grew up
in the poorest outskirts of Milan.
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A Milan where social differences
are clear, they're evident.
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Her mother, Silvana, is a dishwasher
at a café in via Padova.
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But her life and her daughter's life
radically change
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after she meets a rich entrepreneur,
Ferdinando Reggiani.
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Patrizia had two surnames:
Martinelli Reggiani.
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Why did she have two surnames?
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I don't think any of us
ever asked ourselves that.
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I found out that Patrizia
was not Reggiani's daughter,
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but that, later on,
she'd been adopted by Reggiani.
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And I imagine that...
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Patrizia's past,
the difficult childhood she experienced,
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which is the thing that leaves the
biggest mark on someone's character,
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probably instilled in her this fear...
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of going back to being poor.
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Everything I remember about my father...
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is good.
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He was very funny,
he was nice to me,
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he always agreed with me.
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He gave me the money
to buy my first house,
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and that's something
I've never forgotten.
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I had a terrible relationship
with my mother.
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We couldn't even be
in the same room together.
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Because I'm a bit mad,
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and she's a bit mad, too,
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so two madwomen
couldn't be in the same room together.
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The Milan of the '60s
is the Milan of the economic boom.
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Milan was the engine and the heart
of the legendary '60s.
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It's a modern city, a city of events,
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a city where things are happening
and where everything can be redesigned.
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One of the things that's being redesigned
is fashion.
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That transgressive, kind of rebellious
fashion, of girls in miniskirts.
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In those years, trends
weren't defined by fashion designers.
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The street was
the shop window and the catwalk.
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Patrizia's got money,
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but she's missing the status
given to those born into wealth.
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There is a substantial difference
between those born into a rich family
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and those who need to continue
to progress,
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to prove themselves,
to rise to the challenge.
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Patrizia is one of those people.
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The first time I met Maurizio
was very strange.
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My best friend at the time said to me,
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"Look, you've got to drag
Maurizio Gucci to my party."
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And I asked her,
"Who is Maurizio Gucci?"
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I go up to the first floor,
and he arrives.
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He said, "How can I talk to you?"
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And I said, "We'll have time."
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But I'd already understood
that he was trying to court me.
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Then we decided to go down
to the nightclub.
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I was there with another guy,
in his Porsche.
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Whereas he'd arrived in a smaller car,
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so I already made up my mind about him:
this guy's a loser.
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The "loser" is actually
part of a huge dynasty, the Guccis,
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which started with Guccio Gucci,
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his grandfather
and the creator of the business
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which will one day become
an extraordinary brand, an Italian dream.
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When Guccio Gucci dies, three
of his six children join the business,
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Aldo, the eldest, Vasco and Rodolfo,
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and they're the ones who really
take up the reins of the business.
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At one point
I get a phone call from him,
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and he says, "Listen, I've found
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"this restaurant that's really nice,
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"how about we go there
tomorrow evening?"
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And that same evening, he says to me,
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"Listen, what would you think
about your name being Patrizia Gucci?"
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So I said,
"What? Have you gone mad?"
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That's when we started dating.
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Back then I was really fun,
not like I am now.
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Besides my beauty,
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Maurizio was struck by
everything about me.
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You can only imagine
the sort of car I was used to.
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So I told him, "Listen, don't you think
you should get a new car?"
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And he said, "Yeah, maybe I should."
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So we put together, a bit me, a bit him,
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more him than me,
a good sum of money.
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And we bought a beautiful car, a Ferrari.
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I've had other relationships, but...
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never like Maurizio.
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Maurizio was my only true love.
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{\an8}28 October 1972
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We organised our wedding,
which was beautiful...
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Patrizia Reggiani and Maurizio Gucci's
wedding
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MILAN, 28 OCTOBER 1972
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Maurizio's father
was absolutely opposed to our union.
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Because... I don't know.
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Maurizio distances himself.
He's in disagreement with his father
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and in search of his independence.
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It's his uncle Aldo Gucci who helps
his nephew and his wife Patrizia.
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Aldo Gucci is the firstborn,
the most visionary,
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who has an instinctive fashion sense
as well as an instinctive business sense.
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Patrizia is the one
to search for an ally in Aldo.
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Aldo manages to make
father and son make peace,
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but he also tells his brother
very clearly that,
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bringing Maurizio back into the family,
Patrizia is also joining the family.
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Aldo thought very highly of me
because of my intelligence.
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I respected him.
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He'd sent us to New York
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to put me under his protective wing.
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I mean, I'm a beautiful woman...
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In the '70s, the Gucci brand
is growing incredibly quickly.
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It's one of the key players
in this idea of Made in Italy
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that's becoming more
and more important,
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in part thanks to prêt-à-porter,
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in other words the democratisation
of fashion which is progressing
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along with the more exclusive
haute couture,
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the basic high fashion found
in Paris and Rome.
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It's a golden moment for fashion,
for Made in Italy, for Gucci.
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And for Patrizia.
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In fact, Alessandra is born in 1977
and four years later Allegra,
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and in the meantime Maurizio's father
Rodolfo has bought the couple
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a truly unique loft in New York.
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My father-in-law
had given me the house in New York.
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It was gorgeous.
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But this gift was somehow
pushed for by Patrizia,
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who had a sense for real estate.
More than a flat it was a penthouse,
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880 square metres on Fifth Avenue.
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The New York jetsetters
all came to this house.
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Patrizia is one of the most vivacious,
extraordinary people in the city.
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Patrizia is living the high life,
a truly extraordinary life,
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in the places that matter,
in the centre of the world.
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She's a woman who always seems
to know what she wants,
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who always seems to be a step ahead.
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She's the one to organise parties
in Milan, in New York, and elsewhere.
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So she's the entertainment,
she herself is the life of the party.
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ISCHIA, 1977
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We were in Ischia for the thermal baths,
and that's where I met Pina.
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I met her in Ischia
and I immediately found her endearing.
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She didn't have a happy childhood,
Patrizia.
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She didn't have any sisters or brothers.
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She had this mum
who was not a mum to her,
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because her mum was self-centred,
she was...
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What is a mum
who always calls her daughter a bastard?
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Patrizia had suffered a lot.
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She was a woman in pain in that respect.
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So I'd become her confidante.
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We weren't even friends,
we were like sisters.
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In Pina,
Patrizia probably did not only find
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a kind of friend, a confidante,
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but also someone
who was able to recognise her status,
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to treat her like Patrizia Gucci.
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And Pina's main interest was money,
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so Pina Auriemma is accustomed
to receiving regular payments,
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benefits,
royalties from Patrizia Reggiani.
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She took me on holiday,
but because she needed company,
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she needed to vent,
she needed to talk.
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Rather than leave the girls
with the nanny, she'd phone me
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and I'd come running to stay with them.
And this went on for many years.
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I'd listen to her
because I felt kind of bad for her.
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But...
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she was a friend, let's say.
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COPENHAGEN, 1983
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My favourite memory with Maurizio
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was when he joined me in Copenhagen
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and we took this boat out
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in the wind and all that,
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and then we got to where the Créole was,
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and I fell in love with this boat.
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Patrizia Reggiani does not seem
to be used to being told no.
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She wants a flat because she doesn't like
staying in hotels, and she gets a flat.
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She wants the Créole,
and naturally she manages to get it.
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I was in Paris, and he calls me and says,
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"Listen, what would you say
if I bought you the Créole?"
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And I told him,
"That would be fantastic."
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And so we became owners of the Créole.
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All this love turned against me.
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I have never been lucky,
except for my love story with Maurizio.
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But...
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Milan of the '80s is the Milan of fashion,
the Milan of Made in Italy,
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which is in the midst
of its most extraordinary moment.
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The moment of great fashion designers,
the moment the whole world is watching.
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But in this moment of splendour,
the harmony within the family...
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begins to disintegrate.
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The Gucci family is in its third
generation, but Rodolfo dies in 1983.
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At that point, Rodolfo's shares
pass into Maurizio's hands.
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Patrizia thinks that Maurizio probably
will not be the best choice
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to lead and manage the company,
but Gucci did not easily allow women
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to take on an administrative,
managerial role.
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But Patrizia would like to,
she'd like to try to enter
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that world that she loves and knows
and feels like it's hers, too.
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I tried to help Maurizio
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very, very, very much in his business.
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Because Maurizio had this thing,
that if he got obsessed about something,
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he went straight
onto the path to failure.
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We realise that this woman
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has a role in Gucci's growth
as a businessman,
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a role which may have been fundamental
in some choices,
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and was certainly very,
very oppressing at times.
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Some people tell us that Gucci suffered
from Patrizia's invasiveness.
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Paolo, who is Maurizio's cousin
and one of Aldo's four children,
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does not tolerate the family's discipline,
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so he wants to somehow break free
and open up his own line.
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And that's when Patrizia feels
that the time has come
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for her to play an important role.
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Acapulco.
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At one point, I look around
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and I see this cousin of Maurizio's,
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telling me, "Come here, come here."
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And he tells me, "Listen, if you're
involved, we can do great things."
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So I asked him,
"What kind of great things?"
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He says, "I feel that at this point
I no longer care about Gucci...
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"so I need to meet with Maurizio."
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So I told him, "Certainly."
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So we organised a meeting in via Durini,
where we lived.
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When the two of them come down,
I see that both of them are satisfied.
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So I ask him why.
And he says, "We've made a deal.
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"Paolo's going to sell me his shares,
and I'm going to buy them."
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I told him, "Ah, wonderful,
bottle of champagne."
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Maurizio, who had already inherited
50% of the shares from his father,
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along with Paolo's shares now has a
majority and becomes head of Gucci.
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The only mistake Maurizio made
was not communicating this
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to the cornerstone of Gucci, Uncle Aldo.
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So when Maurizio found himself
in disagreement with Uncle Aldo,
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Aldo goes, "Hey, kid,
how dare you give orders to me?"
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And that's when the kid
pulled out what he'd bought.
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Aldo didn't believe it,
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so the next morning Aldo went in...
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and found everything closed,
his offices and everything.
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Basically Aldo had been
kicked out of Gucci.
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And he told me, "What a pity.
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You and I would have been
Gucci's rebirth."
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And that's when the destruction began.
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A disaster.
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Because Maurizio...
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was never able to hold onto Gucci.
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The real problem in those years was that
the Gucci brand had become too popular,
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there were too many licenses,
too many products.
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The brand had become watered-down
in a way.
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Maurizio understands, he realises
he needs to close those licenses
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and somehow bring Gucci
back to the greatness it once had,
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but he's not able to manage it.
So he understands the problem,
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but he doesn't know how to deal with it,
and the firm finds itself in trouble.
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My first crisis with Maurizio
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was when he packed his weapons
and bags and he left.
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Then, at one point, I felt lost.
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I had this huge house, two children.
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Well, there was always the nanny,
but in any case I was in shock.
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Maurizio disappeared over night,
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running around the world, and he did not
contact his children nor his wife.
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After the death of his father,
after Rodolfo's death,
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his personality seems to come out,
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Maurizio's true identity
seems to be revealed.
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And one could say that it seemed
he was going to look elsewhere
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for his personality,
for his true identity.
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The Créole seems to be, yes,
a gift he made to Patrizia,
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but also a way for him to feel truly free.
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I never stopped loving Maurizio,
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but I have to say
he really disappointed me.
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When he turned up again,
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from what I remember,
from what she told me,
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he didn't want to get back together.
The marriage was over.
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I resisted for 15 years.
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He, on the other hand,
resisted for 13 years.
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So we spent these two years fighting,
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with me yelling at him,
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"You're a..." Well...
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I tried twice to see Maurizio,
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to tell him that he was ruining Gucci,
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but he told me, "No, what
do you want to do? Don't worry."
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But I knew he was ruining Gucci.
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So at that point
Maurizio decides to sell his shares,
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and he sells them to the Arabs
of Investcorp.
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170 million dollars was the price,
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270 billion lire,
an enormous sum of money.
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The curtain falls on one
of the biggest Italian fashion brands,
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a legendary brand which falls
once and for all into foreign hands.
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My...
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disappointment...
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led me to kick him out of the house.
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And I have to say I was very surprised
that he'd already packed his bags.
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I was shocked when Maurizio left,
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because he seemed like the one
who was more in love of the two.
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It's not like they drifted apart.
It happened over night.
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Maurizio never asked me
for a divorce,
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and I was alright with that.
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Then suddenly this Paola Franchi
comes on the scene,
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and he asks me for a divorce.
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So I was no longer allowed
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to use the Gucci name.
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But I still use it.
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She phoned me in Naples
one day and said:
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"I fainted, they took me to hospital,
I need to have surgery,
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"I might have a brain tumour."
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She called it a brain tumour,
but it was a very superficial thing,
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otherwise we wouldn't be here
to tell the story, right?
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My illness was a meningioma...
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I don't know... in my head.
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She really took advantage of this illness,
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she wanted to take advantage of it
in court, too,
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saying she couldn't remember,
she couldn't say, but they exposed her.
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I found out that he'd come
to the Madonnina clinic,
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and then he hadn't had the courage
to come inside.
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I found that out, and I thought,
"What a bastard."
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And that was one of the reasons why...
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I stopped loving him.
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You've crossed the line,
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even your own daughters despise you
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and don't want to see you anymore
to forget the trauma.
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You're a... a deformed growth.
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You're a painful appendage
that we all want to forget.
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You told me...
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that in the period when you were forging
your father's signature,
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you went through hell.
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No, you're wrong, Maurizio...
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hell is still to come for you.
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When I found out
that Maurizio wanted to marry...
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this person,
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who had even been a friend of mine,
back in the day,
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I thought, "That's not possible."
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I was sure he was ignoring
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his daughters for Paola Franchi.
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This really cuts the ground
from under Patrizia's feet,
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because having a competitor,
an adversary,
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a new Lady Gucci
and potentially new heirs,
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somehow calls her role into question.
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She'd lost this power she had
to guide him.
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She felt hurt, humiliated, because he...
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he'd found himself another woman,
he'd built another life for himself.
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My thought was:
I am protecting my daughters.
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I mean...
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Maurizio was cutting us out.
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He no longer wanted
to see his family or anything.
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We have four houses in Saint Moritz.
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And he didn't want to give
even one of them to my daughters.
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Something happened in her.
Maybe her narcissism had taken a hit.
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This desire to eliminate him came out.
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I went around asking
the butcher and so on,
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"Is anyone here brave enough
to kill my husband?"
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She'd asked all of Milan
to find a murderer.
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00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:28,799
Lots of people didn't take her seriously.
The only idiot was me.
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I have a shortcoming.
I can't aim straight,
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so I couldn't do it myself.
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I had to find...
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these Beagle Boys
who would do it for me.
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As for me, it was supposed to be a scam,
because these guys weren't criminals,
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they weren't people
who knew how to hold a gun.
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They had no intention of killing Maurizio.
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{\an8}27 March 1995
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Maurizio Gucci, heir of the prestigious
fashion house, has been killed in Milan.
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There are witnesses. The doorman,
shot in the shoulder by the murderer,
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is the one who's been able
to provide the best description so far:
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a man wearing a baseball cap
and dark sunglasses
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00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:32,079
who comes running out of Gucci's house
right after shooting him.
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00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:35,559
Speaking of the gun, it appears
to have been a pistol with a silencer
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00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:39,599
manufactured abroad
and filled with American bullets,
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sold only in Switzerland,
Austria and Germany.
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00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:45,160
This does not prove that the killer
or whoever sent him is a foreigner,
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00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:46,759
but it does open this possibility.
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00:30:46,839 --> 00:30:49,960
The motive: the investigators
seem to believe in an economic feud.
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00:30:50,039 --> 00:30:53,000
There are certainly many stories
of hatred, hostility and threats.
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00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:59,200
My daughters' nanny,
who was in Saint Moritz said to me,
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00:30:59,279 --> 00:31:03,759
"Have you seen the news?"
And I said, "No."
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00:31:04,319 --> 00:31:09,400
And in fact, the news was telling me
about Maurizio's death.
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00:31:14,559 --> 00:31:16,960
I was... incoherent.
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00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:24,079
And... I couldn't remember... I mean...
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00:31:24,839 --> 00:31:28,759
I didn't know what...
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00:31:30,559 --> 00:31:35,160
my marital situation was.
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00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:40,480
I could no longer think.
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00:31:40,839 --> 00:31:43,440
Then I tried to...
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00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:48,799
to...
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00:31:52,519 --> 00:31:54,359
accept it...
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00:31:55,799 --> 00:31:58,720
because I'd lost...
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00:32:00,359 --> 00:32:01,799
my husband.
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00:32:02,559 --> 00:32:06,160
Who was the person
I'd loved more than anyone else.
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00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:16,240
It was like being hit over the head.
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00:32:17,319 --> 00:32:22,279
So I shrugged off all my thoughts.
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00:32:25,039 --> 00:32:31,160
At first I thought it was one of
the dirty business deals Maurizio made.
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00:32:36,559 --> 00:32:39,119
The manoeuvres performed to get into
the management of Swiss casinos
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00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:40,759
seem to be intertwined
with the Gucci affair.
408
00:32:40,839 --> 00:32:42,759
After selling the brand
to the Arabs at Investcorp,
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00:32:42,839 --> 00:32:44,319
after paying his debts to Delfo Zorzi,
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00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:46,119
suspected of the Piazza Fontana
massacre,
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00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:49,240
Gucci had 40 million dollars left.
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00:32:49,319 --> 00:32:52,799
This led to clashes between groups
to manage gambling halls.
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00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:55,200
The investigations into this continue.
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00:32:55,599 --> 00:33:00,000
I talked to Pina, who told me,
"See what a nice present I've given you?
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00:33:02,759 --> 00:33:04,759
But now you've got to pay.
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00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:11,160
And you'd better pay a lot.
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00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:20,160
Otherwise, one down, two to go."
Who are my daughters.
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00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:25,279
"Please,
I'll give you all the money you want,
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00:33:25,359 --> 00:33:29,039
"but no dead children."
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00:33:29,119 --> 00:33:34,759
When Maurizio was killed,
I was in the hotel. I was really upset.
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00:33:34,839 --> 00:33:39,319
I never would have thought
Pina would be able
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00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:43,319
to put together this group of...
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00:33:44,799 --> 00:33:46,319
I don't know...
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to kill Maurizio.
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Maurizio Gucci's funeral
MILAN - 3 APRIL 1995
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Patrizia plays the role of the widow.
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00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:07,640
She wears these dark diva glasses,
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even a veil to cover her head.
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00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:14,360
With all this,
430
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:20,280
it's not easy to see the real expressions
on Patrizia Reggiani's face.
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00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:23,800
She really didn't seem to be in mourning.
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00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:26,679
And I become more and more shocked.
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00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:28,920
It was as if nothing had happened to her.
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00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:31,719
The important thing
was she'd gotten back
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00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:34,760
all the things that belonged to her,
as she said.
436
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:36,840
According to the press,
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00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:41,119
Patrizia Reggiani asked Paola Franchi,
on the day of the funeral,
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00:34:41,199 --> 00:34:44,639
for some of Maurizio's clothes,
so they wouldn't be lost,
439
00:34:45,039 --> 00:34:49,880
and at the same time she asked her
to leave the flat in Corso Venezia.
440
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:55,320
When we found ourselves needing
to write about this individual who,
441
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:59,000
as crime and judicial news journalists,
we did not know very well,
442
00:34:59,079 --> 00:35:02,960
we quickly found ourselves
facing the image of a complex man,
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00:35:03,039 --> 00:35:07,360
not a simple man,
a man with many different sides to him.
444
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:12,199
Then I understood where it came from,
from a personal and professional history
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00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:18,800
of often violent conflicts within
the business, with his business partners.
446
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:22,320
He was not always an easy person
to deal with.
447
00:35:24,519 --> 00:35:27,760
It's difficult to look for the simplest
and most ordinary solution.
448
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:32,159
The simple solution was in front
of everyone's eyes, it was in his family.
449
00:35:33,079 --> 00:35:37,519
It's easier to go search for
a glossy explanation,
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which the Gucci world was,
451
00:35:40,039 --> 00:35:43,280
so an explanation
that had something to do
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00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:46,079
with the business side, the male part.
453
00:35:46,159 --> 00:35:49,320
The investigations were male-oriented.
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00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:53,440
The investigations
just went round in circles...
455
00:35:53,519 --> 00:35:56,920
It seemed like a crime
that was destined to remained unsolved.
456
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:13,400
Two years passed
between the murder and the arrest.
457
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:16,880
Those two years
were really tough for me.
458
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:20,519
Every time I passed
in front a police station,
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00:36:20,599 --> 00:36:24,320
I was tempted to turn myself in.
460
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:27,840
What stopped me? The fact that
I'd have to turn the others in, too?
461
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:30,559
Reggiani, with two children?
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00:36:30,639 --> 00:36:35,519
After all the years we'd spent together,
463
00:36:35,599 --> 00:36:41,599
I phoned her to ask her
how I should behave and she said,
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00:36:42,079 --> 00:36:45,960
"I'll get you out of this
with your head held high."
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00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:50,360
And then things went the way they went.
466
00:36:51,679 --> 00:36:55,039
She shocked me when,
passing by the cemetery,
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00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:57,840
she says, "Let's go visit Maurizio."
468
00:36:58,519 --> 00:37:00,039
"Visit Maurizio?"
469
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:05,519
I felt guilty, torn apart inside.
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00:37:05,599 --> 00:37:10,679
That's when the veil lifted for me.
And I thought, "What have I done?
471
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:14,679
"How could I have believed
in this woman for so many years?"
472
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:22,639
That murder left its mark on me.
473
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:26,880
I managed multiple
law enforcement workers at the time,
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00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:29,880
and in the end I asked each of them
475
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:33,760
the same question,
"What about the Gucci murder?"
476
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:37,199
And they all answered,
"It's not our case."
477
00:37:37,559 --> 00:37:42,599
Until one day, in January 1997,
478
00:37:42,679 --> 00:37:44,400
I received a now infamous phone call.
479
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:50,199
It was about 10 p.m.,
my secretary came in and said to me,
480
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:54,480
"Sir, there's someone on the phone
for you, he'll only talk to you."
481
00:37:55,519 --> 00:37:58,840
I say, "Alright, pass me the call,
let's finish off the evening."
482
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:04,159
I take the call, the man introduces
himself as Gabriele Carpanese,
483
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:07,119
and he says, "I have to tell you
some important things.
484
00:38:07,199 --> 00:38:09,480
"Are you interested in the Gucci murder?"
485
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:16,320
Carpanese explained to me that he
and his wife moved to a small hotel
486
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:20,519
and started to have less and less money,
487
00:38:20,599 --> 00:38:23,039
so he came up with something
488
00:38:23,119 --> 00:38:26,719
along with the nephew
of the owner of this Adri Hotel.
489
00:38:27,039 --> 00:38:30,400
He said that in Colombia
490
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:33,039
he'd been part of a gang.
491
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:37,119
Savioni, the hotel owner's nephew,
492
00:38:37,199 --> 00:38:40,400
believed what Carpanese was telling him.
493
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:44,559
At that point Savioni responded,
"We did something big, too."
494
00:38:44,639 --> 00:38:48,440
He said, "If things had gone the way they
were supposed to go,
495
00:38:48,519 --> 00:38:52,000
"I would be a millionaire right now,
because I was an accomplice
496
00:38:52,079 --> 00:38:54,039
"to a very important murder."
497
00:38:54,119 --> 00:38:55,440
The Gucci murder.
498
00:38:55,519 --> 00:38:58,000
GUCCI, 3 GUNSHOTS
AND A MYSTERY
499
00:38:58,079 --> 00:39:01,800
He says, "Yes, I'm a friend
of Giuseppina Auriemma,
500
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:08,119
"who in turn is a friend of Gucci's wife,
Patrizia Reggiani.
501
00:39:08,199 --> 00:39:12,480
"And she came to ask us
on behalf of Patrizia Reggiani
502
00:39:12,559 --> 00:39:17,280
"to kill her husband,
and she was going to pay us very well."
503
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:25,039
Auriemma and Savioni met in Naples.
504
00:39:25,119 --> 00:39:27,960
Savioni's wife was a Neapolitan woman,
505
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:32,199
and she was a friend of Pina Auriemma's.
They met in Naples.
506
00:39:33,039 --> 00:39:37,679
Pina comes to Milan,
Savioni comes to Milan, they meet again,
507
00:39:38,559 --> 00:39:42,440
and their friendship had never ended,
they'd kept in touch.
508
00:39:42,519 --> 00:39:47,000
So when Mrs. Reggiani...
509
00:39:48,159 --> 00:39:54,760
told Auriemma about her plan
to kill her husband,
510
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:57,199
Auriemma thought she'd ask Savioni.
511
00:39:57,280 --> 00:40:01,480
Actually, Savioni was not
a real criminal at all.
512
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:04,159
In fact, he had no criminal record.
513
00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:09,159
Maybe a bounced check or something
like that, but certainly nothing criminal.
514
00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:13,639
So they see a way to make some money.
515
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:19,440
I went to Savioni who, it's known,
does not have the criminal background
516
00:40:19,519 --> 00:40:24,639
to be able to carry out a murder.
517
00:40:25,039 --> 00:40:30,039
In fact, it's strange
that Savioni was able to find
518
00:40:30,119 --> 00:40:33,400
the people who
would actually carry out the murder.
519
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:35,239
I didn't know...
520
00:40:36,079 --> 00:40:41,559
that they,
the Beagle Boys as I call them,
521
00:40:42,079 --> 00:40:46,320
had contacted this person
522
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:50,079
to ask him to kill Maurizio.
523
00:40:51,039 --> 00:40:55,480
And they too,
I must say, were amateurs.
524
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:58,079
When Auriemma left,
525
00:40:58,159 --> 00:41:01,519
she really didn't have any intention
of killing Maurizio Gucci.
526
00:41:01,599 --> 00:41:05,679
She knew she could get money
out of Patrizia
527
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:07,159
without ever committing the murder.
528
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:09,320
She'd talked to me.
529
00:41:10,159 --> 00:41:16,880
"What if I had your husband killed?"
And I'd told her, "Look, be my guest."
530
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:22,599
Except that unfortunately Patrizia,
seeing that the murder never took place,
531
00:41:22,679 --> 00:41:25,440
started to get suspicious, thinking,
"Something's not right here."
532
00:41:25,519 --> 00:41:27,719
When she realised this,
533
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:32,679
that I was not
taking care of getting this...
534
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:37,960
murder done, she wanted to meet
Savioni, and she came on the scene.
535
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:42,239
After that both Savioni and Reggiani
got me out of the way.
536
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:46,039
So she spoke to Savioni,
537
00:41:46,119 --> 00:41:49,800
and besides trying to force him,
she also tried to butter him up,
538
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:53,639
even giving him
a fabulous cashmere jumper
539
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:56,199
which Savioni
had probably never seen in his life.
540
00:41:56,639 --> 00:42:00,639
And I never heard another thing
about what she promised,
541
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:04,280
about what she said,
about how she managed to convince him,
542
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:08,800
because in my opinion
Savioni wasn't so important.
543
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:10,559
He was a normal guy.
544
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:16,559
At one point Savioni meets up
with an old acquaintance of his,
545
00:42:16,639 --> 00:42:20,599
who he always calls
with a kind of respect, Mr Cicala.
546
00:42:20,679 --> 00:42:25,960
Cicala always needed money,
because he was a bit of a gambler.
547
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:31,920
And he also seemed to be a drug dealer.
548
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:36,760
So in contact with slightly
more important criminal groups.
549
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:38,159
And he...
550
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:43,280
in time, gets in touch with Ceraulo...
551
00:42:44,519 --> 00:42:49,039
who is the hitman who actually
carried out the Maurizio Gucci murder.
552
00:42:49,119 --> 00:42:53,239
I never thought it would end this way,
553
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:56,920
because it was supposed to be a scam.
554
00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:02,400
Carpanese explained that it was not
Savioni and his accomplices' intention
555
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:05,760
to carry through with the Gucci murder.
556
00:43:06,559 --> 00:43:11,679
But just to extort a sum of money
from Patrizia Reggiani.
557
00:43:12,639 --> 00:43:17,960
And in fact they asked for a deposit,
multiple millions.
558
00:43:18,039 --> 00:43:20,519
Pina had told me that,
559
00:43:20,599 --> 00:43:24,320
since she was selling evening gowns,
560
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:28,760
she'd asked for a loan of 150 million.
561
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:30,599
The bank director had told me,
562
00:43:30,679 --> 00:43:37,559
"Look, if you don't want
to see your 150 million again,
563
00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:39,639
"go ahead and give it to her."
564
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:43,800
But it didn't last long for them,
because they went gambling at casinos.
565
00:43:44,639 --> 00:43:49,000
They thought they'd keep asking
Reggiani for more.
566
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:53,320
And she said,
"Okay, I'll give you the rest,
567
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:56,400
"the rest of the money,
but you have to kill him,
568
00:43:56,480 --> 00:44:00,639
"because he's about
to marry his girlfriend,
569
00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:05,000
"his new girlfriend,
and I don't like that."
570
00:44:06,039 --> 00:44:11,360
That's when they decided
to actually carry out the murder.
571
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:20,159
That's where Carpanese's story ended.
572
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:24,960
And Ninni opens an investigation
573
00:44:25,039 --> 00:44:29,079
which is truly spectacular,
just like in the movies,
574
00:44:29,159 --> 00:44:31,480
and in fact he manages to nail them all.
575
00:44:32,079 --> 00:44:36,199
Obviously it wasn't possible
to arrest them all on the basis
576
00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:39,559
of a statement made
by an individual like Carpanese.
577
00:44:39,639 --> 00:44:41,400
So Operation Carlos was born.
578
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:47,639
They start from the true mistake
of this whole story, the blackmail,
579
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:51,199
so Patrizia who doesn't pay everything,
these guys who blackmail her.
580
00:44:51,639 --> 00:44:53,519
And that's where Carlos comes in.
581
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:58,719
There was an inspector
whose mum was Colombian.
582
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:03,320
I asked him,
"Do you speak Spanish well?"
583
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:09,000
"Yeah! I speak Old Spanish,
the kind they speak in Colombia."
584
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:14,880
"Would you be up to infiltrating,
saying you've come from Colombia
585
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:19,159
"to bring some money to Carpanese?"
586
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:21,920
"Sure," he said. "No problem."
587
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:26,920
So one day he turns up at the Adri Hotel
588
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:30,519
and tells Savioni in Spanish
that he's looking for Carpanese.
589
00:45:30,599 --> 00:45:33,480
Savioni calls Carpanese and says,
590
00:45:33,559 --> 00:45:37,400
"Look, the guy you say is a killer
is here."
591
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:42,480
He says, "He's got this steely gaze,
that guy is really scary."
592
00:45:43,519 --> 00:45:47,119
Carpanese comes down,
they speak in Spanish,
593
00:45:47,199 --> 00:45:53,800
and Carpanese asks him
if he's willing to blackmail someone
594
00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:57,679
who owes Savioni some money.
595
00:45:57,760 --> 00:46:03,039
"No problem, tell him I'll either
bring him the money they're asking for,
596
00:46:03,119 --> 00:46:05,159
"or else I'll bring him
Mrs. Gucci's head."
597
00:46:05,559 --> 00:46:09,519
Savioni was happy about this answer,
598
00:46:09,599 --> 00:46:13,000
and he said, "Look, here's 50,000 lire,
599
00:46:13,079 --> 00:46:16,559
"take him to a restaurant,
and take my car."
600
00:46:17,519 --> 00:46:20,960
We were amazed.
The car came straight to the office,
601
00:46:21,039 --> 00:46:23,039
we bugged it,
602
00:46:23,679 --> 00:46:27,840
and after they went to the restaurant,
603
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:29,880
they brought it back to Savioni.
604
00:46:31,679 --> 00:46:35,639
Savioni contacted Auriemma first,
by phone,
605
00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:40,760
and told her to come because
he had some important news to give her.
606
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:45,559
And he took the car we'd bugged
607
00:46:45,639 --> 00:46:48,400
to go pick her up at the train station.
608
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:52,280
When he arrived,
Savioni said to Giuseppina,
609
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:57,360
"Listen, get in the car, because we
can be sure no one can hear us here."
610
00:46:58,039 --> 00:47:01,880
They got in the car and we listened.
611
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:05,920
Actually, I was right there
in the radio room as they spoke,
612
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:09,440
and I could hear everything
they were saying. Savioni said,
613
00:47:09,519 --> 00:47:13,320
"Listen, Gucci still owes us
a lot of money."
614
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:15,639
"Yeah, okay," said Auriemma,
615
00:47:15,719 --> 00:47:17,920
"but this time I've got to get
something out of it, too."
616
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:25,760
I decided that
what we'd heard was sufficient,
617
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:29,159
so we sent all the transcriptions
to the judge,
618
00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:33,239
who decided to accuse
all of the people involved,
619
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:35,880
and to proceed to arrest them.
620
00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:39,719
31 January 1997
621
00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:45,280
Friday 31st January,
at dawn, it was 4:30 in the morning,
622
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:47,840
we made the arrests.
623
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:52,360
All of the accused
are arrested simultaneously.
624
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:55,639
They don't know who's been arrested.
625
00:47:57,639 --> 00:48:02,199
And when, finally,
the investigation turned towards us,
626
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:05,400
and they came to arrest me,
I felt relieved,
627
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:08,239
because I knew it was
the punishment I deserved.
628
00:48:13,519 --> 00:48:15,639
I got to Mrs. Gucci's house.
629
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:24,320
I didn't think they'd catch me.
630
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:40,239
At one point
I hear this guy knocking on the door.
631
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:45,199
So I come out with all my thingies,
632
00:48:45,599 --> 00:48:49,519
in my underwear, and I say,
633
00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:52,159
"What is this, a robbery?"
634
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:55,519
"No, madam,
we're here to arrest you."
635
00:48:56,639 --> 00:48:57,679
"To arrest me?"
636
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:03,840
I asked Patrizia Reggiani
637
00:49:04,159 --> 00:49:08,039
if she knew the reason we were there,
at her house.
638
00:49:08,119 --> 00:49:12,559
She answered very coldly,
"Yes, for my husband's murder."
639
00:49:12,639 --> 00:49:17,360
Then my daughter,
who'd woken up, obviously, asked,
640
00:49:17,719 --> 00:49:20,039
"Mum, what have you done?"
641
00:49:20,119 --> 00:49:21,519
"Eh...
642
00:49:23,639 --> 00:49:24,840
"my business."
643
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:29,119
She'd put on all of her jewellery,
644
00:49:29,199 --> 00:49:31,320
a flashy fur coat.
645
00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:34,320
I said to Mrs. Reggiani,
646
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:37,440
"Look, you're going to be arrested
and taken to jail,
647
00:49:37,519 --> 00:49:40,800
"so I recommend you leave
the jewellery you're wearing
648
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:43,559
"and that fur coat with your mother."
649
00:49:44,559 --> 00:49:49,559
But she said, "No, my jewellery
and my fur coat go where I go."
650
00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:55,079
She said goodbye to her daughters,
saying, "See you later, I'll be back soon.
651
00:49:56,079 --> 00:49:58,119
"Stay inside and wait for me."
652
00:49:58,639 --> 00:50:01,559
I was... confused.
653
00:50:01,639 --> 00:50:05,239
I felt completely empty inside.
654
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:12,320
A real turn of events.
655
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:17,079
The Maurizio Gucci case is turning
into an Italian Eve Dallas story.
656
00:50:17,159 --> 00:50:23,280
After two years, the investigations
have reached a turning point.
657
00:50:29,239 --> 00:50:32,559
- Did Mrs. Reggiani say anything?
- No, absolutely nothing.
658
00:50:32,639 --> 00:50:35,400
- Did she claim she's innocent?
- She didn't say anything.
659
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:39,400
- How did she react when you arrived?
- She remained quite calm.
660
00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:42,880
- Maybe she was expecting it?
- We don't know that.
661
00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:46,400
Patrizia Reggiani gave me the idea
662
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:50,599
of a cold, detached woman,
663
00:50:50,679 --> 00:50:56,280
who only valued money,
664
00:50:56,880 --> 00:51:00,719
luxury, and friends in high places.
665
00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:05,719
When Patrizia was arrested,
I was in shock.
666
00:51:06,119 --> 00:51:11,159
To plan a murder requires
a particular type of intelligence.
667
00:51:12,039 --> 00:51:16,559
And I didn't think
Patrizia had that type of intelligence.
668
00:51:17,039 --> 00:51:19,599
I never believed
that Patrizia was a murderer.
669
00:51:19,679 --> 00:51:26,239
It was not a question of intelligence,
it was a question of business.
670
00:51:26,599 --> 00:51:32,000
Patrizia is from the Milan where
"I work, I earn, I pay, I expect."
671
00:51:32,079 --> 00:51:35,000
That was the way she reasoned,
672
00:51:35,079 --> 00:51:40,440
and she probably applied
that reasoning to everything.
673
00:51:40,519 --> 00:51:44,480
We see her leave with this group
of police officers,
674
00:51:44,559 --> 00:51:48,119
but she's short,
so she disappears amongst the cars.
675
00:51:48,199 --> 00:51:50,760
We wonder where they're taking her.
676
00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:54,800
They're taking her
to Criminalpol in Piazza San Sepolcro.
677
00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:59,199
We run there, day has broken,
and within an hour the news breaks
678
00:51:59,599 --> 00:52:03,320
and basically the same thing happens as
had happened on the day of the crime,
679
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:09,320
so Milan goes crazy
because we're back to square one,
680
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:12,239
and once we find out it was his wife,
681
00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:15,320
obviously within an hour
the news has travelled across the world.
682
00:52:17,079 --> 00:52:18,880
CASINOS AND BILLIONS BUT
THE SOLUTION WAS RIGHT THERE...
683
00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:20,719
GUCCI, CRIME WITHIN THE FAMILY
FIRST WIFE ARRESTED
684
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:23,239
GUCCI'S WIFE HAD HIM KILLED
685
00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:25,519
PATRIZIA ARMED WITH HATRED
FOR THE MAN SHE'D LOST
686
00:52:25,599 --> 00:52:27,079
GUCCI EX-WIFE BAGGED
687
00:52:27,159 --> 00:52:29,280
SEX GREED AND MURDER
688
00:52:29,599 --> 00:52:34,480
My mother asked me,
"What have you done?" "If I'm here..."
689
00:52:38,079 --> 00:52:43,000
After a while, Patrizia Reggiani's
two daughters arrived.
690
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:48,599
The eldest, Alessandra,
asked to speak with me.
691
00:52:48,679 --> 00:52:53,639
She asked,
"Are you convinced it was my mother?
692
00:52:54,039 --> 00:52:58,559
"Because I don't think so,
because I'm convinced of something.
693
00:52:58,639 --> 00:53:01,639
"If my mother had wanted
my father dead,
694
00:53:01,719 --> 00:53:05,360
"she would have taken the gun
and shot him in the head."
695
00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:09,920
I don't know a pistol's range,
696
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:15,559
and I was afraid that when I saw him,
I wouldn't have targeted,
697
00:53:15,639 --> 00:53:18,440
I wouldn't have aimed correctly.
698
00:53:20,039 --> 00:53:24,719
I brought Savioni into my office and
told him, "Look, we know everything."
699
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:28,159
He looked at me and said,
"No, no, I have absolutely nothing to say,
700
00:53:28,239 --> 00:53:30,960
"I'm innocent,
I have nothing to do with this."
701
00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:37,400
The door opened,
and Carlos walked into the office.
702
00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:46,159
Hearing him speak Italian, he said,
"You tricked me. Okay, I confess."
703
00:53:47,239 --> 00:53:51,679
He gets it all off his chest,
everything he had on his conscience.
704
00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:56,280
He didn't think they would really
have gone all the way.
705
00:53:56,360 --> 00:54:02,159
Auriemma was arrested and
taken straight to the San Vittore jail.
706
00:54:03,639 --> 00:54:06,599
I wanted to try to make her talk, too.
707
00:54:06,679 --> 00:54:10,320
Strangely enough, the next day, in jail,
Auriemma had changed her mind
708
00:54:10,679 --> 00:54:13,119
and no longer said anything.
709
00:54:14,039 --> 00:54:17,760
It may also be that in jail
710
00:54:17,840 --> 00:54:22,280
they told her, "Don't talk,
because we hate those who talk
711
00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:25,679
so if you talk, your life in here
will become very difficult."
712
00:54:26,079 --> 00:54:29,039
I didn't speak
right after being arrested,
713
00:54:29,119 --> 00:54:33,079
because I was consulting
with my lawyers.
714
00:54:33,159 --> 00:54:37,599
My version
is that I did not commission anything
715
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:41,320
to the person who did this.
716
00:54:42,119 --> 00:54:43,480
Which was Pina.
717
00:54:43,559 --> 00:54:49,000
She immediately accused me
of ordering the killing.
718
00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:52,719
I pled innocent.
719
00:54:56,480 --> 00:55:00,800
31 JANUARY 1997
720
00:55:01,559 --> 00:55:03,400
In the end, they took them away.
721
00:55:04,039 --> 00:55:08,360
I think the first one to come out, but
I could be mistaken, was Auriemma,
722
00:55:08,440 --> 00:55:10,400
followed by Gucci,
723
00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:14,519
without the fur coat,
bundled up in something
724
00:55:14,599 --> 00:55:17,519
they must have lent her inside.
725
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:30,320
When she came out of the office,
before getting into the car,
726
00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:33,280
she took one last look at the church
727
00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:37,280
which was across from my office
in Piazza San Sepolcro.
728
00:55:41,719 --> 00:55:46,639
It was the church where she
and Maurizio Gucci had gotten married.
729
00:56:10,840 --> 00:56:14,679
The Gucci trial began
around the end of '98
730
00:56:14,760 --> 00:56:19,519
and was closed definitively with the Court
of Appeals sentence
731
00:56:19,599 --> 00:56:20,960
at the beginning of 2001.
732
00:56:21,039 --> 00:56:24,679
Patrizia is in the courtroom
733
00:56:24,760 --> 00:56:30,079
this whole time, and almost seems
to feel comfortable there.
734
00:56:34,519 --> 00:56:39,559
Patrizia Reggiani had no interest in
commissioning Maurizio Gucci's murder,
735
00:56:39,639 --> 00:56:41,480
for a very simple reason:
736
00:56:41,559 --> 00:56:44,280
when their marriage
was coming to an end,
737
00:56:44,719 --> 00:56:47,320
they signed an financial agreement
738
00:56:47,400 --> 00:56:51,519
in which Maurizio Gucci agreed
to pay Patrizia Reggiani
739
00:56:51,599 --> 00:56:54,440
a million Swiss francs a year,
a million euros.
740
00:56:54,519 --> 00:56:57,039
It's a considerable sum,
741
00:56:57,119 --> 00:57:01,000
which would allow Patrizia Reggiani
to live a glamorous lifestyle.
742
00:57:03,519 --> 00:57:10,119
At the trial, I explained
that I'd been blackmailed
743
00:57:10,199 --> 00:57:14,559
by Pina and her friends,
up to 600 million.
744
00:57:15,119 --> 00:57:18,320
I said, "Your Honour, that may be true,
745
00:57:18,400 --> 00:57:24,280
"
but the fact remains that she paid
746
00:57:24,360 --> 00:57:25,760
"even before the murder."
747
00:57:26,119 --> 00:57:30,280
No one pays ahead of time
if there's not going to be a murder.
748
00:57:30,360 --> 00:57:37,079
So this attempt of Patrizia Reggiani's
to defend herself also failed.
749
00:57:37,440 --> 00:57:44,000
During the trial,
Reggiani seemed to be very tough.
750
00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:47,480
She looked people in the eye.
She was...
751
00:57:48,599 --> 00:57:50,039
she was angry.
752
00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:56,960
During the trial, my mother and my two
daughters never abandoned me.
753
00:57:57,320 --> 00:57:58,960
All three of them...
754
00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:01,880
were with me.
755
00:58:01,960 --> 00:58:05,480
Obviously, as a VIP...
756
00:58:06,440 --> 00:58:10,239
I didn't have...
I wasn't in a cage.
757
00:58:11,159 --> 00:58:14,480
They always believed in my innocence.
758
00:58:16,559 --> 00:58:22,320
From the start, she stuck with the idea
of the "misunderstood commissioning."
759
00:58:22,800 --> 00:58:27,199
But at the end of the trial,
in my opinion,
760
00:58:27,719 --> 00:58:31,239
I won't say she got off lightly,
because there are other murder trials
761
00:58:31,639 --> 00:58:36,480
where people get off even more lightly,
but when the first prosecutor
762
00:58:36,559 --> 00:58:39,360
and then the appeals prosecutor
both asked for life in prison,
763
00:58:39,440 --> 00:58:42,159
I thought she was going to get it.
764
00:58:42,880 --> 00:58:47,039
The Court of Appeals confirmed
the sentence from the second trial.
765
00:58:47,119 --> 00:58:50,679
The heaviest sentence was given
to the actual perpetrator of the murder,
766
00:58:50,760 --> 00:58:53,480
Ceraulo,
who got 28 years and 11 months.
767
00:58:53,559 --> 00:58:54,960
ACTUAL PERPETRATOR
OF THE MURDER.
768
00:58:55,039 --> 00:58:57,400
SENTENCED TO 28 YEARS, HE SERVED
HIS TIME. HE IS NOW A FREE MAN.
769
00:58:57,480 --> 00:59:02,159
Pina Auriemma got the lightest sentence,
19 and a half years.
770
00:59:02,559 --> 00:59:03,960
ORGANISER OF THE MURDER.
771
00:59:04,039 --> 00:59:06,559
SENTENCED TO 19 YEARS, SHE SERVED
HER TIME. SHE IS NOW A FREE WOMAN.
772
00:59:06,639 --> 00:59:08,079
Savioni got 20 years.
773
00:59:10,360 --> 00:59:11,679
ORGANISER OF THE MURDER.
774
00:59:11,760 --> 00:59:13,800
SENTENCED TO 20 YEARS, HE SERVED
HIS TIME. HE IS NOW A FREE MAN.
775
00:59:13,880 --> 00:59:15,320
Cicala got 26 years.
776
00:59:17,400 --> 00:59:18,679
ACTUAL PERPETRATOR
OF THE MURDER.
777
00:59:18,760 --> 00:59:20,679
SENTENCED TO 26 YEARS,
HE SERVED HIS TIME. DECEASED.
778
00:59:20,760 --> 00:59:23,239
Patrizia Reggiani was sentenced
to 26 years in jail.
779
00:59:25,519 --> 00:59:26,880
CONTRACTED THE MURDER.
780
00:59:26,960 --> 00:59:28,679
SENTENCED TO 26 YEARS, SHE SERVED
HER TIME. SHE IS NOW A FREE WOMAN.
781
00:59:28,760 --> 00:59:32,159
Reggiani, even after the trial,
782
00:59:32,239 --> 00:59:35,599
continued to claim
that Pina had blackmailed her.
783
00:59:35,679 --> 00:59:39,519
Such a long, torturous trial,
with so many witnesses,
784
00:59:39,599 --> 00:59:42,639
so many people
that were questioned in the courtroom,
785
00:59:42,719 --> 00:59:45,119
would have made anyone uncomfortable.
786
00:59:45,199 --> 00:59:48,920
7But not her. She came out of that trial
just the way she came into it.
787
00:59:52,639 --> 00:59:57,280
Victor's Residence is the place
I spent 18 years.
788
00:59:57,719 --> 01:00:00,880
So, I would sleep, I would shower,
789
01:00:01,880 --> 01:00:03,800
and I would go down to the garden.
790
01:00:03,880 --> 01:00:06,239
I had preferential treatment.
791
01:00:06,760 --> 01:00:09,159
Her surname had a weight in there.
792
01:00:10,360 --> 01:00:12,239
The jail was split into two groups,
793
01:00:12,320 --> 01:00:15,000
pro Patrizia, pro Pina Auriemma.
794
01:00:15,079 --> 01:00:18,199
Because they couldn't stand her.
795
01:00:18,280 --> 01:00:21,639
They knew she was lying a lot.
796
01:00:21,719 --> 01:00:25,559
My relationship
with the inmates was excellent.
797
01:00:26,800 --> 01:00:28,559
Excellent.
798
01:00:28,639 --> 01:00:30,400
She never gave anyone anything.
799
01:00:30,480 --> 01:00:36,079
They would even steal the food
from her fridge out of spite.
800
01:00:37,639 --> 01:00:41,679
Because she never gave anyone
so much as a chocolate.
801
01:00:41,760 --> 01:00:46,559
What can I say? It wasn't bad.
802
01:00:46,639 --> 01:00:48,639
Actually, it was great.
803
01:00:48,719 --> 01:00:52,000
I wish I was still in San Vittore.
804
01:00:53,039 --> 01:00:55,159
She brought in her hairdresser
from outside,
805
01:00:55,239 --> 01:00:58,559
her surgeon, her dentist...
806
01:00:59,199 --> 01:01:00,760
She was Mrs. Gucci.
807
01:01:00,840 --> 01:01:03,599
They were 20... 18 years...
808
01:01:04,239 --> 01:01:05,559
of peace.
809
01:01:06,320 --> 01:01:08,760
Because I didn't get on with my mother.
810
01:01:08,840 --> 01:01:11,599
Of course, I would have preferred
to avoid those years.
811
01:01:11,679 --> 01:01:14,400
She had the right to day release,
812
01:01:14,480 --> 01:01:17,679
a benefit which would have
allowed her to work.
813
01:01:17,760 --> 01:01:21,280
But Patrizia Reggiani
chose not to take advantage of it.
814
01:01:21,360 --> 01:01:25,639
"I've never worked," she informed
the supervisory magistrates in Milan.
815
01:01:25,719 --> 01:01:29,800
Patrizia Reggiani spends her time
at San Vittore caring for her plants
816
01:01:29,880 --> 01:01:31,920
and, apparently, a pet, a ferret,
817
01:01:32,000 --> 01:01:34,679
rather than work,
even if it would mean leaving the jail.
818
01:01:34,760 --> 01:01:36,280
In jail...
819
01:01:39,079 --> 01:01:44,800
you reflect on your useless existence,
820
01:01:44,880 --> 01:01:49,079
because with all the pain
I found in there,
821
01:01:49,519 --> 01:01:52,280
I asked myself,
"Where have I been until now?"
822
01:01:52,360 --> 01:01:57,239
And when you get out, and you close
those doors for the last time,
823
01:01:57,320 --> 01:02:02,000
you're a completely new person,
you're not the person you used to be.
824
01:02:02,079 --> 01:02:05,639
Jail did not change me one bit,
825
01:02:05,719 --> 01:02:09,480
because I came out
just the way I'd come in.
826
01:02:11,719 --> 01:02:14,519
The murder of stylist Maurizio Gucci.
827
01:02:14,599 --> 01:02:18,719
His wife, Patrizia Reggiani, could serve
the last three years of her sentence
828
01:02:18,800 --> 01:02:20,719
working for social services.
829
01:02:20,800 --> 01:02:25,000
After 16 years at San Vittore, the woman
has been free for a few months,
830
01:02:25,079 --> 01:02:27,800
awaiting the decision
from the supervisory court.
831
01:02:27,880 --> 01:02:31,400
The injunction's come. Patrizia Reggiani
will volunteer at Caritas
832
01:02:31,480 --> 01:02:33,880
and will work in a jewellery shop.
833
01:02:33,960 --> 01:02:36,440
I even did my volunteer work,
834
01:02:36,519 --> 01:02:41,480
and then finally this volunteer work
came to an end.
835
01:02:47,800 --> 01:02:49,480
Patrizia, once again,
836
01:02:49,559 --> 01:02:54,239
has demonstrated that she is not
the person she is often made out to be,
837
01:02:54,320 --> 01:02:57,639
this ferocious assassin,
this heartless person,
838
01:02:57,719 --> 01:03:00,880
this ruthless person
who wanted her husband dead.
839
01:03:00,960 --> 01:03:04,960
No, she's also a person
who's known how to accept responsibility,
840
01:03:05,039 --> 01:03:09,320
and now she's someone who can say
she's at peace with herself in a way,
841
01:03:09,400 --> 01:03:14,760
and this has definitely helped her
to live the present in a different way.
842
01:03:17,480 --> 01:03:20,239
The new Patrizia is in a real pickle.
843
01:03:20,320 --> 01:03:25,000
I have to take care of the inheritance
my mother left me,
844
01:03:25,079 --> 01:03:29,159
so I have to see accountants...
845
01:03:30,280 --> 01:03:35,119
and one tells me one thing,
another tells me another thing.
846
01:03:35,880 --> 01:03:37,679
Then I have to see my lawyers,
847
01:03:38,239 --> 01:03:43,719
and I have to deal with my flats,
848
01:03:44,039 --> 01:03:45,480
and there are plenty of them.
849
01:03:49,280 --> 01:03:52,800
Now, obviously,
I have to do it all myself.
850
01:03:54,840 --> 01:03:58,360
Many years later, I ran into
Patrizia Reggiani and I asked her,
851
01:03:58,440 --> 01:04:02,639
"Madam, how did those 17 years go?"
852
01:04:02,719 --> 01:04:05,360
And she said, "They flew by."
853
01:04:06,880 --> 01:04:07,800
Hats off to you.
854
01:04:19,239 --> 01:04:24,159
There is no fashion left... in Italy.
855
01:04:30,280 --> 01:04:31,840
Because...
856
01:04:33,159 --> 01:04:34,679
these things...
857
01:04:40,519 --> 01:04:46,119
These ups and downs
have made me incredibly strong.
858
01:04:54,719 --> 01:04:58,199
But I haven't risen again yet.
859
01:05:00,480 --> 01:05:01,719
Not yet.
860
01:05:15,599 --> 01:05:18,199
I am Patrizia Reggiani Gucci.
861
01:05:26,000 --> 01:05:30,920
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